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The bible is a collection of books written (made up) by men so why do you think it would say anything other than control over women given the time these stories were written?

Lynne
Lynne
today at 11:20

Actually, I asked a question - note the question mark. "At present day Christian marriage ceremonies do women still promise to 'obey' their husbands?" Perhaps it should be amended  to: "At present day Christian marriage ceremonies do (some) women still promise to 'obey' their husbands?" Here's another question: why was/is it the woman who promises to obey the man ...

Vaping on the NHS
S
S
today at 10:19

I agree.  As we still don't know the long-term effects of vaping we shouldn't be providing it. People should get support to stop but replacing one addiction thing with another even if currently appears "healthier" is not a solution.

@Lynne i responded to your post because you specifically said at present day christian marriages. you were implying that everything you said is happening now, to everyone, which is not true. things have improved and, yes, there is still some way to go, particularly in the way the media (the whole spectrum of media) depicts males and females.

Debate/discussion
S
S
today at 10:15

I will happily debate/discuss any subject with anyone but there is no need for insults about the subject of the discussion (if a person or persons) or the person you are discussing with. The people on here have differing opinions and that is a good thing as it should allow for a good discussion but once insults start flying around the discussion quickly goes off the subject. There really is no ...

Women and sexual activity. Why are women (and gay men?) on the receiving end of, for example, 'slut shaming' and not men? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut-shaming and I've just read this today online https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/merseyside-police-rape-tweet-victim-blaming-liverpool-council-twitter-a8498736.html so what are we saying? That if women act and dress ...

today at 06:58

Margaret, I know it is now a choice whether to include the obey vow.  But that is only a fairly recent event as you yourself point out.  I know also that some married women keep their father's surname (or double-barrel it with that of their husbands - some husbands even do the same) but again all this is fairly recent stuff. "Only in 1965 did married women in France obtain the right ...

Margaret Swift
Margaret Swift
yesterday at 21:06

@Lynne , i think you are just a little bit out of date. the choice of wording for marriage vows at any wedding, including christian, has been up to the individual since at least 1970! i was first married in 1975 and never included the ridiculous notion of obey, nor at my second marriage ceremony. and more than half of my friends kept their own name, including me. women do have choices, some ...

Lynne
Lynne
yesterday at 18:55

Name calling: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/ambitious-frigid-and-frumpy-25-words-we-only-use-to-describe-wom/

elvis presley
elvis presley
yesterday at 16:03

Won't be anybody left.