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Andy Mac
Andy Mac
30 Mar 2011 13:09

http://www.jobsatsainsburys.co.uk/m/list.aspx?state=dawlish&countryid=133&country=uk&countryfull=UK&dmaid=14298 The first jobs are already being advertised. I expect that a LOT more will follow.

FRONTERAMAN
FRONTERAMAN
30 Mar 2011 16:03

Roll up, Roll up get your minimum wage job here.

Let us know on here if you get one

Andy Mac
Andy Mac
30 Mar 2011 16:45

So you would prefer people are claiming benefits through the dole, rather than earning money and contributing to society??? Interesting... You sir, i'm afraid to say, are a fraud....

Lynne
Lynne
31 Mar 2011 01:14

Though I don't doubt for one moment that Fronteraman can speak up for himself, I have to say that I can't see anywhere in his posting that he is advocating people staying on benefits. He is referring to the rate of pay these jobs will offer.

However, those rates whatever they are, will no doubt be the same or as near as dammit the same as would be offered by Tesco should they build at Lady's Mile. And I make that point as I understand that Fronteraman would like Tesco to build at Lady's Mile although only because Sainsbury's are building at Shutterton Bridge. Although ideally he would wish for neither to be built. Is that rignt Fronteraman?

Andy Mac
Andy Mac
31 Mar 2011 01:39

Sorry Lynne, but this gut-less anonymous clown is clearly intimating that minimum wage jobs are worthless - he's therefore taking the piss out of those that would rather earn a minimum wage instead of scrounging off of the state. Best of all, all of the jobs advertised on the link I posted will be well above minimum wage. Still, let's not let facts get in the way of a narrow-minded agenda.

Andy Mac
Andy Mac
31 Mar 2011 01:43

And, as an ironic post script, I bet he's also one of those that moans about "foreigners coming over here and taking all our jobs, blah, blah, Daily Mail, blah"...

FRONTERAMAN
FRONTERAMAN
31 Mar 2011 07:25

@Andy Mac.

As you have stated on here previously you are a virtual newcomer to town. You therefore have little if any idea about how this big multi-national company has and will in future effect local businesses, jobs and politics. So I suggest you keep your unsolicited comments to yourself.

If you believe that such companies do not exploit the young, un-skilled and ethnic minority workforce of this country then perhaps you need to apply for some of their jobs yourself. They like others have a one track business policy PROFIT nothing else matters.

There is nothing wrong with the minimum wage system if it is applied fairly to the expectations of the job it relates to, however highly skilled and qualified individuals who find themselves presently out of work due to the current world situation should not be forced into accepting such jobs having previously contributed to the state benefit system. The individuals that become permanently relent on benefits by one method or another on the other hand should.

Your post script comment can be related to the scenes shown at the weekends demonstrations in London. Its not about foreigners coming over here to work, its about the businesses that exploit these people for the same reason these companies move their offices and call Centre to India etc. They don't want to pay proper wages or British Taxes. They don't care about local communities, the environment or anything other than expanding their global market share and maximizing their profit.

Please take a look at Southwestbusiness.co.uk and this mornings articles about Cadbury's and Yell. com, also check out the archive where a small welsh community are fighting to get a Supermarket closed down by boycotting the store and its jobs

lazlo woodbine
lazlo woodbine
02 Apr 2011 01:46

Most of the large supermarkets pay more than the national wage, and offer part time or short hours to suit those working for them, UNLIKE many LOCAL shops and businesses that only pay the national minimum wage to thier staff. Local bar work is at minimum wage, local shop work is at minimum wage any work in the local tourist industry is at minimum wage. Perhaps one should look at local employers before slagging off the nationals.

FRONTERAMAN
FRONTERAMAN
03 Apr 2011 15:20

Sounds like you may like to work for them yourself, put your name down and best of luck

Dave The Estate Agent
Dave The Estate Agent
04 Apr 2011 14:50

G'day Folks,

I'm heading back from OZ soon and see the Sainsburys jobs are being advertised by Andy Mac. You get me...I is looking for a job and Sainsburys could be good for me, great staff discounts, cheap restuarant and a smashing uniform.

I'm applying on line now...I'll keep you posted.

DtE

Hells Bells
Hells Bells
05 Apr 2011 07:06

Lazlo - having once had a business in Dawlish that employed local people I'd just like to point out that I couldn't afford to pay more than minium wage. I was taking less for myself than that!

If you're not making the money you can't pay it out, it's that simple. Holidaymakers come to Dawlish (and other places too) expecting a cheap holiday and won't pay premium prices, when they've paid a tenner for a cheap holiday from The Sun they then get false expectations!

But a job's a job these days, minimum wage, staff discount, Tescos, Sainsburys, whoever. If it fits in around looking after kids, keeping a house running, elderly parents or whatever it's nothing to be sneered at.

J.Warrener
J.Warrener
05 Apr 2011 14:24

The more that Sainsbury's employ locallly the more money that will be in the local economy. Afterall very few people do most of the weekly shopping in Dawlish , going to Exeter or Newton Abbott instead. Yes thier may be a loss of one or two jobs in Dawlish but this will be more than compensated for by sainsburys. A company that pays far more than minimum wage.

Lynne
Lynne
06 Apr 2011 00:59

Not sure how there will be more money locally? Sure, people who presently travel to Exeter or NA to do their once weekly supermarket shop will more than likely switch to using the new Sainsbury's at Shutterton Bridge but all that will mean is that instead of the money being spent in Tesco or Asda in NA or Exeter it will now be spent in Sainsbury's at Dawlish.

Yes, of course, Sainsbury's here will have jobs to offer. And the more of them that are part-time the more of the money that gets earned will disappear back into Sainsbury's coffers via those part-time employees doing their shopping there.

On top of all that, the residents and tourists who presently do their 'top-up' shopping at the shops in the Warren, along Exeter Road and in the town will also do their 'top-up' shopping in the new supermarket, yet more money going out of the local economy.

On the other hand of course perhaps it's me who's missing something here. So perhaps someone who believes the new supermarket will be beneficial to Dawlish's economy would explain how that will be so.

J.Warrener
J.Warrener
06 Apr 2011 13:45

Every person off the dole means more money locally.

Because someone on the dole has no spare money, so they rarely use the pubs to go out for a meal or drink. They dont use restaurants for the same reason. On a trip to the beach they dont give the kids a little treat like an ice-cream as they cant afford it. Most of the food and a fair bit of the drink is produced locally(devon/cornwall). So the whole area gains

As for the holiday makers, many of them buy a weeks groceries before they arrive, and only buy milk, bread etc down here. Maybe they may stop doing that and buy it down here instead. As most sainsburys stock some local produce , then they also gain.

Gerrards already compete fairly well with the prices of supermarkets due to the offers they have and Lloyd maunders etc more than compete quality wise.

Lynne
Lynne
06 Apr 2011 14:01

Why are you assuming that people who work have 'spare' money?

Mine is a working household. We don't have any 'spare' income. And guess what? I suspect we are not the only ones.

I have no idea whether or not what you say about tourists buying before they get here is true or not. On what evidence do you base your remarks? Even if they do only buy milk and bread once here (which I doubt) if they buy from Sainsbury's then it is still money going out of the local economy.

And why are you further assuming that the tourists we get here have money to spare? If they are here because of an offer they found in The Sun, The Bristol Evening Post, and whatever the Birmingham equivalent is then I doubt that they will have much money to spare.

Andy Mac
Andy Mac
06 Apr 2011 14:43

We've had friends stay in the Warren because of the newspaper offers. Spending less on accommodation means they have more to spend on food, drink and entertainment. That's a fact, and why these offers are so good for our local economy. To be fair Lynne, I know plenty of people who are in gainful employment, and who have 'spare cash'. Granted that none of them are smokers or animal owners...

Lynne
Lynne
06 Apr 2011 15:56

Well now, it will be interesting to see just how much 'spare' cash families will have during this financial year. Remember, many will be losing their jobs. And I strongly suspect that even those that keep theirs will, on the whole, find they have less money to 'spare'.

Andy Mac
Andy Mac
06 Apr 2011 16:14

I thought we were discussing people who *are* working? Or those that will be one of the 240 locals being employed at Sainsburys. They *will* have spare cash. Unless they smoke fags or piss it up the wall every night. :-)

Lynne
Lynne
07 Apr 2011 01:18

They *might* have spare cash but there again they equally might not. Remember we have inflation at 4.5% or so, VAT at 20% and a cutback in benefits which those at the lower end of the socio-economic food chain will sorely miss - and that includes those who are working. So, any extra earned income by those already in work may well be needed for necessities and thus won't be 'spare'. The same goes for those getting a job who don't presently have one. And don't forget, and as I have said already, the more part-time jobs, the less the income earned by the individual, the more money goes straight back to Sainsbury's via the employees doing their shopping with them.

So, yes, jobs will be created and many no doubt will be filled by those living in and around Dawlish but I am wary of that being thought of as a way that the local economy will be boosted. Money is very tight at the moment.

Time will tell.

J.Warrener
J.Warrener
07 Apr 2011 14:32

if they earn 1p more than they did on the dole, then its 1p more to spend, simple really.

If they are young and without children then they are more likely to spend money. Your VAT and inflation have no point in this discussion as those on the dole are also hit by this, not just those at work.

i also know of people that have used Sun holidays and without them wouldnt have arrived down here at all as they couldnt afford it. When they are here they spend money on meals out, drink, groceries and go to local attractions. Would you rather they didnt come at all and all the sites were empty and local businesses shut down. Many of these people come for short breaks on top of annual holidays abroad.

As for holidaymakers coming here it is well known that caravan touring holiday makers, bring most of their groceries with them, in the caravan they are towing.They would still buy bread from Ryders etc but with a Sainsburys they are more likely to buy more here, as they wouldnt need to do a shop before arriving to save money.

By the tone of your post, you seem to think that anyone on a Sun holiday is scum or a doley, which is clearly not the case , as it tends to be those in work that are clued up , into getting cheap accomodation for an extra holiday, grandparents with pre-school kids , or hard working parents that without this offer wouldnt be able to give thier children a holiday.

Lynne
Lynne
08 Apr 2011 02:00

Yes, I agree that accommodation offered at the Warrren is, on the whole, at the cheaper end of the market. So, if money is tight, and people further up country are losing their jobs then even if they come here they aren't going to have that much money to spend are they, or, as much money as they did have.

My nephew, his partner, and their two year old are coming down shortly to stay at one of the campsites courtesy of one of those vouchers. Had it not been for the voucher reducing the cost of their holiday they wouldn't be coming.. Suspect, and as you say, that there are others who come here because of the reductions offered by the local camp sites. But, and as I keep saying, money is very tight at the moment.

Smokey
Smokey
08 Apr 2011 03:56

Money has been very tight for me most of my life, so nothing has changed for me. My daughter is a lone parent and has been taught to budget, its hard but she gets by working part time. Come on Lynne stop being doom and gloom about everything, lets be more positive and stop looking for the negatives!!!!

Lynne
Lynne
08 Apr 2011 05:35

I'm not being doom and gloom. Fact of life. Age of Austerity. And money has always been tight for me also - like many others. Some are about to discover what that is like and I think it will come as a bit of a shock to put it mildly.

Lovely day. I shall now go out and enjoy it. Lovely part of the country.

See, not all doom and gloom.

Andy Mac
Andy Mac
08 Apr 2011 06:17

I'm enjoying a lovely mug of tea outside The Pirates Chest - only £1.20. The sunshine is free of charge!

J.Warrener
J.Warrener
08 Apr 2011 13:52

Pirates chest is a great place to sit in the sun, read the paper, watch the world go by , with a cracking mug of tea . The crab sanies are good as well.

Andy Mac
Andy Mac
08 Apr 2011 14:07

Had to smile today when someone asked for a crab sarnie and Bob laughed and told the customer that he doesn't catch crabs til May...

FRONTERAMAN
FRONTERAMAN
11 Apr 2011 04:24

Just read a very interesting story on South West Business at the following link

http://www.southwestbusiness.co.uk/homepagetest/action-curb-superstores/article-3432356-detail/article.html

Its seems rather two faced that the NFU want to support their members regarding price but wont support any campaigns to stop supermarket construction

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