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BEE9
BEE9
14 Aug 2015 19:56

Only happened to notice the application sheet being blown around on a lamp post outside 64 Meadow Park on a walkabout this evening. The application sheet had the 24-07-15 as the post date and the end date for objecting to the proposal was today!

Two previous applications for the same site for 2 dwellings has been refused twice before. The only other notice was at the end of Upper Longlands below the propsed development.

 

http://gis.teignbridge.gov.uk/TeignbridgePlanningOnline/Results.aspx?Type=Application&Refval=15/01814/FUL

 

 

land meadow park

 

 

 

 

OurSoul
OurSoul
14 Aug 2015 20:34

This application was published through all the appropriate channels (including the Gazette) a few weeks back. All neighbouring householders also received notification through the post. 

Cassandra
Cassandra
14 Aug 2015 21:15

It's not too late to put a comment on the website.

BEE9
BEE9
14 Aug 2015 21:19

Mrs C - not everyone and to few notices placed.

leatash
leatash
14 Aug 2015 21:46

Well i knew about it and i live the other side of town.

1 Agree
Lynne
Lynne
15 Aug 2015 07:58

The Town Council is recommendating refusal.

I see from the planning docs that it is presently delegated to a planning officer to decide 

whether or not approval is given.

This could be changed though and it could go for a committee decision if a local cllr calls it in.

Not too sure which ward this area is in (political boundaries sometimes are beyond logic) but I'd hazard a guess

at it being Dawlish South West ward.

So.........if anyone wants to go down that route suggest they contact Cllr Prowse or Cllr Clemens (the Dawlish South West ward councillors on TDC).    

OurSoul
OurSoul
15 Aug 2015 08:21

Lynne, the application states that it's in Dawlish Central and North East. 

Lynne
Lynne
15 Aug 2015 08:39

Thank you.

Obviously I haven't woken up properly yet!

So......it is in Central and North East ward in which case these are the councillors to contact:

Graham Price - grahamprice328@btinternet.com

Lisa Mayne - lisamayne1@hotmail.co.uk

Ted Hockin - ehockin@talktalk.net

 

Lynne
Lynne
19 Aug 2015 16:46

Cllr Graham Price has requested that this planning app. goes to the planning committee for them to

decide rather than the decision be taken by a TDC planning officer.

Cassandra
Cassandra
19 Aug 2015 17:08

@Lynne

If I'm reading this right (and it's a very scrappy note) it appears that he's recommending acceptance on the grounds it's outside the town on a piece of 'undeveloped coast' - no mention of the access problems which plague this area.

 

Lynne
Lynne
19 Aug 2015 17:23

@Cassandra - I think he is saying that the application should go to committee to decide.

As Cllr Price is, I believe, a member of TDC planning committee he would not, at this stage, be making

any public pronouncement as to what he thinks of this planning application. Whether he is in favour of it

or otherwise. To do so would mean he had indulged in predetermination - the bain of planning committee councillors (we had quite a 

discussion on predetermination on the threads concerning proposed the Warren Farm SANGS).

That said - I note Cllr Price's reason for requesting that this planning application goes to planning

committee ie that, as I understand it, this planning application contravenes the Local Plan.

 

But please note that all the above is merely me surmising. The person who would really be able to

answer your query would have to be Cllr Price.  

Lynne
Lynne
19 Aug 2015 17:28

Scroll down this link to see who sits on TDC planning committee.

http://www.teignbridge.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=43969&p=0

Cassandra
Cassandra
19 Aug 2015 17:41

@Lynne

In that case we'll have to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Thanks for the e-mail addresses & info anyway.

(anyone else having problems inputting -I type @ 60 wpm but on here it's more like .06 wpm)!

Lynne
Lynne
19 Aug 2015 18:42

@Cassandra - if you look at the top of the form that Cllr Price has completed asking for this

planning application to go to planning committee, you will see that the planning officer in charge of the planning

application is recommending approval. 

So......if Cllr Price was happy with the planning officer's recommendation why would he (Cllr Price) ask for 

the decision to be made by planning committee members instead? 

 

roberta
roberta
19 Aug 2015 19:47


@Cassandra i have same problem driving me mad, cant even copy and paste

OurSoul
OurSoul
19 Aug 2015 21:24

Now that the relevant judicial body has confirmed that all housing developments of 4 homes or more must include an element of affordable housing, I personally find Mr Stones attempt to bypass this by putting in applications for smaller "developments" to be of a greater concern. The first two houses will be followed by an application for a further two houses by an application for another two houses, etc, etc, until that land is filled. I'm not against the land being built on, but I am

against Mr Stone circumnavigating laws on affordable housing. 

 

 

stephen15
stephen15
19 Aug 2015 22:29

@Cassandra

I  have same problem, sometimes i cannot correct mistakes i made delete button wont work etc. etc. 

Lynne
Lynne
20 Aug 2015 08:45

@OurSoul

From the affordable housing section in the Teignbridge Local Plan (my emphasis in bold).

"4.8 The Council reserves the right to calculate the capacity of the site to accommodate 
dwellings where it considers that the development proposed is not an appropriate density 
specifically for the purpose of avoiding the affordable housing threshold. The Council
may also consider the overall area and capacity of adjoining parcels of land where 
development is phased or subject to separate planning applications, where such parcels 
can be considered to make up parts of a larger site. Schemes including a significant
proportion of non-residential floorspace will be considered on the basis of the numbers
of dwellings proposed. Planning permissions will be subject to conditions or a planning 
obligation to ensure that the affordable housing remains affordable in perpetuity."
OurSoul
OurSoul
20 Aug 2015 10:39

Thanks Lynne. Hopefully this is regarded as a phased development (if passed) and therefore will include affordable housing within a subsequent phase. I'm not going to argue about the rights and wrongs of the application per se, other than to say in response to some of the neighbouring objectors that the land was always earmarked for development and this was known when the original houses there were built. 

Lynne
Lynne
20 Aug 2015 11:31

But the question is: is this land earmarked for development now?

Does the local plan identify this area for housing development or not?

Surely it should be the present Teignbridge Local Plan's policies that will decide the fate of this planning application not what was, or what was not, earmarked for development sometime in the past.  

 

And should, for any reason, the present Local Plan not decide this planning application's fate, then I for one would like to know just what the point of the Local Plan is cos I thought it determined what got built (or not) and where (or not).    

2 Agrees
SoulofDawlish
SoulofDawlish
21 Aug 2015 10:42

A significant extension to Meadow Park (Policy DA3) was considered for inclusion in the Teignbridge Local Plan prior to the deletion of the policy from the LP Submission Document in 2012. According to the LP Representations Summary Document of 2013 there were no supporters of the policy.

 

The Local Plan - or Plan Teignbridge as it is now officially known - having passed through public examination in September 2013, was adopted on 6th May 2014 without policy DA3.

 

The land in question here would have formed a small part of deleted policy DA3, which is now zoned as Undeveloped Coast and falls outside of the Dawlish Settlement Limit. If development is allowed, an unwelcome precendent would be set for further development in such areas.

 

This application was considered at a meeting of the Dawlish Town Council Planning Committee on 6th August, resulting in a recommendation for refusal on the above grounds. At the request of the Committee, Cllr Price (who is also a DTC PC member) agreed to 'call in' the decision to the TDC Planning Committee, but this will only take place if the TDC Planning Officer is minded to approve the Planning Application under delegated powers (DEL).

 

Gary Taylor

Lynne
Lynne
21 Aug 2015 11:49

Thank you for the clarification Gary.

 

Cassandra
Cassandra
21 Aug 2015 21:00

Thank you Gary, that has made the position clearer.

Lynne
Lynne
22 Aug 2015 13:26

 Well now, I thought the situation was much clearer until I had a conversation about this planning application

with someone I know who, pre retirement, was involved with housing and planning.

Now, this person does not in any way see themselves as being the font of all knowledge re Local Plans and planning 

apps for new housing etc but this person has pointed out that, the Local Plan notwithstanding, there may be occasions

when a planning application will be granted even if, on the face of it, it flies in the face of what the Local Plan says.

So......a planning application to build two semi-detached houses on a plot of land that is vacant and adjacent to 

other housing,  and even though that plot of land is not designated for development in the Local Plan, if the application does

not necessitate any further infrastructure (like a new road) then that planning application could be granted permission as it is

simply completing the amount of housing in that particular road.

 

So......if what I have been told is correct then it is possible that the planning officer concerned will recommend approval.

In which case the planning application will go the planning committee to decide.

I think this is one to watch..... 

 

Cassandra
Cassandra
22 Aug 2015 20:47

I don't think there would be so much of a problem if one of the original conditions of development had been the provision of a new road into the estate, possibly from the Exeter Road side.

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