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Brexit 2 - the sequel!

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26 Jun 2016 17:48

It seems under E.U. rules that the referendum to leave the European Union was void. Supposedly if the vote is less than 60 percent based on a turnout of less than 75 percent then a 2nd referendum should take place.

I don't think this would have been taken seriously if the result was to remain rather than LEAVE.

British democracy is what counts in a Bristish referendum by the British people and the result was to leave. This sort of madness is what drove the British people to vote to LEAVE not stay.

Currently there is a gov petition with over 3 million signatures for the governemnt to discuss a potential 2nd referendom.

The government did not like the result so I'm sure they will back another referendom.

burneside

26 Jun 2016 18:22

Those "rules" were never mentioned once during the campaign, somebody is making it up as they go along and some people are believing them to be fact. I remember during the Scottish referendum campaign Cameron actually said a majority of one would be enough to decide the result. A second vote is not going to happen, no matter how much the Remainiacs cry and stamp their feet.

Mcjrpc

26 Jun 2016 20:41

A second referendum is a clutching at straws, what will be interesting is when/if notice under Article 50 is given. Maybe Cameron just didn't want to pull the trigger himself or maybe he was trying to buy some time in the hope that a rabbit could be pulled out of the hat.

Meanwhile Boris should become the next Prime Minister, not least because he needs to walk the talk and show the country exactly how you 'take back control'. But perhaps his subdued 'victory speech' was the dawning realisation that this could well backfire on him. He was never an out and out Eurosceptic like IDS but now he's got to carry on like he is and fulfill those rampaging Brexit expectations in buckets, something he knows is just not possible. And in order to have a proper mandate as Prime Minister he'll have to call an early general election where 16,141, 241 digsruntled remainers will be gagging to get their revenge (plus the ones who didn't quite get it and thought they were voting to get Muslims out). Meanwhile the Labour party is racing to get rid of Corbyn and find someone who might offer a credible challenge.

Mcjrpc

26 Jun 2016 20:56

And never has politics been so messed up that an old Etonian Bullingdon clubber has won the confidence of the working classes over a Labour party leader who has spent his career fighting for workers rights!

27 Jun 2016 00:32

From the guardians comments section:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

lordDC

27 Jun 2016 07:18

I trust that everybody heard Osborne this morning. We ARE leaving the EU. Get used to it.

27 Jun 2016 10:25

People keep going on about Corbyn being unelectable but I don't see any Tory MP who I think could lead the country and lead us through these difficult times. I am sure not any will have those who voted to leave's best interests at heart when negotiating our departure from the EU. Unless someone comes through suddenly I don't see Johnson, Osbourne or May as that person.

There is already backtracking, talk about having to accept free movement for access to the free market etc. It is so important that the Tories chose the right leader so we don't get screwed by the elite again!

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